October 7, 2007

What are we Fighting For?


This is the question liberals constantly ask me. As if this should end any argument for staying there.

The truth is, we have a variety of reasons why we need to stay there. So I will debunk the various liberal arguments in order:

What happened to "Mission Accomplished"?
This is an example of how Liberals seem to think in a very linear way. The short answer is that the mission WAS accomplished; the context of that banner was the removal of Saddam and his government. Yes, that was accomplished. Our goal was to remove Saddam. We removed Saddam. Therefore, the mission was accomplished.

That is separate and distinct from subsequent missions (holding elections and establishing a democracy for example). The fact that we completed the mission of removing Saddam doesn't mean that the threat is gone or that our job is done. There is more than one mission. The "mission accomplished" banner was in reference to only one of them.

So why are we still there?
The main reason we are still there is to help the Iraqis entrench their democracy. The democracy might succeed even if we pull out. But the chances that it will fail (and the risk that another Saddam-like dictator will come to power) increase exponentially if we leave. Because they cannot adequately defend themselves from the anti-democracy forces that are trying to topple them.

The main reason we are there is to function as a stop-gap military and police force until the Iraqis can build one of their own. We are giving them breathing room in order to establish their own defenses against the infection of anti-democracy forces aligned against them.


What do we have to gain by staying there?
The permanent removal of a threat to us, as well as a potential ally.

Statistically speaking, democracies almost never attack one another. Even if the Iraqi democracy never becomes an ally of the US, they are extremely unlikely to cooperate with terrorists. That alone makes our efforts worth it; It is one less nation that terrorists will not be able to colonize.

There is also the possibility that a successful Iraq can start a democracy cascade in the Middle East, leading to the potential birth of other democracies. Right now a lot of people (both here and over there) are operating under the assumption that Muslims are incapable of sustaining a democracy. That there is some kind of fundamental difference between our cultures that precludes the possibility of a Muslim democracy. A successful Iraq will prove them wrong, and demonstrate that the people of the Middle East can indeed live in democracies. That it is a viable alternative for them.

But isn't it wrong to force a Western-style democracy on the People of Iraq?
This one always makes me laugh...as if giving them the opportunity to choose to make their own laws is somehow immoral. It is not. It is like saying it is wrong to "force" someone to breathe.

Furthermore, there is no such thing as a "western style" democracy. That is a fabrication of the left. Either a nation is a democracy or it is not. The definition of "democracy" is very clear....it requires only that the common people ultimately control political power (either directly or by proxy). Technically speaking, we did not install a US-style democracy. Iraq has a parliamentary system. We do not have a Parliamentary system.

In any event, the People of Iraq now have control of their government. Their current politicians were freely elected (not appointed by the US). And their Constitution was ratified by a large majority of the population. They have the ability to alter their Constitution just as we do. So if they really don't want a "western style" democracy, they have the power to change it.

If you support the war, why aren't you over there fighting instead?
This argument is kind of a cop out on the part of liberals. But its a common one, so I will address it.

First of all, we have a 100% volunteer military. Not a single soldier was conscripted. Every single person fighting in Iraq (without exception) is there because they chose (for whatever reason) to join the military.

Second, we don't have to participate directly in every dangerous profession in order to have an opinion on what the people in that profession should do. Liberals don't seem to have a problem being anti-crime, even though most of them are not cops, and don't have to risk their own lives confronting dangerous criminals. They don't seem to have a problem believing that Firefighters should have to fight fires, even though the vast majority of them have chosen not to become firefighters themselves, and so do not have to face the same risks firefighters do. So why is it any different with soldiers? The argument is incredibly hypocritical.

The function of the military is to defend the nation. Establishing a democracy in Iraq will contribute to our long term security in a significant way. Most people in the military seem to agree. Support for the war is actually higher in the military than it is in the civilian population. But even if that weren't true, they don't get to override the will of the nation. And the elected representatives of our nation have decided that the war is necessary. A soldier does not get to pick and choose which wars he wants to fight.

These are just the purely selfish reasons we have to establish the Iraqi democracy. There is also a moral imperative; It is MORAL to spread freedom to people who are not already free. It is justified for no other reason than because it is the right thing to do.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Furthermore, there is no such thing as a 'western style' democracy. That is a fabrication of the left. Either a nation is a democracy or it is not. The definition of 'democracy' is very clear....it requires only that the common people ultimately control political power (either directly or by proxy)."

First, I just want to say that I'm a declared political Independent so I do not have a slant one way or another when it comes to these issues. This particular blog I found to be well written. The answers I found to be fairly typical of other neo-con thinkers, who in the end, seem to think they have cornered the market on what the United States is and should be about, how it's morality should look, and how other countries in the world should emulate us in some way or another - a point you said you agree with and are unashamed about.

The paragraph from your blog I quoted above though does seem to leave some things out of the equation. You say the liberal media has created the idea of "western-style democracy" or "US-style democracy". Unfortunately, that is not true. Democracy entails several features that can vary from country to country. You may be democratic, but that doesn't mean majority rule in all cases. You did speak on this in one other piece you have on your site when you were discussing gay rights. You said something to the effect that it's something that should be in the hands of the people and not "activist judges". This is a point the neo-cons are very quick to bring up but they never give much political or constitutional discussion on.

My first point here would be that the US is not a majority rule democracy as you seem to connote. The US is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy. One thing the fore-fathers were keenly aware of was the fact that majority rule could not protect civil liberties in all cases. So they established a representative government and a Constitution with a Bill of Rights. Within the Constitution, the ninth amendment states, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." This was added to say government cannot use the first 8 amendment as set in stone freedoms because freedoms may need to be established in the future that are not listed there. The fourteenth amendment is a good example of such a need for actualizing need freedoms for a discriminated class. It was the ninth amendment ultimately that made this possible, and it IS constitutional even if the majority not have wanted it.

The reason for our Constitution is to ensure our civil liberties are not trumped by government, thereby moving each and every one of us towards true equality. The neo-cons like to argue they are not racist, but at the same time they are quick to say the GLBT community does not have the right to the same rights as heterosexuals. Innately, you should already see the discrepancy in their way of thinking, as well as the unconstitutionality of it. They are creating classes of individuals in the same way affirmative action laws do. If we were to have true equality in the eyes of the law, the argument for civil unions versus marriage wouldn't even be an issue. We wouldn't have to have "don't ask, don't tell" policies. There wouldn't have to be any worry about workplace discrimination and we could leave the issue behind altogether. Unfortunately, there is a group of people fighting very hard to create distinctions of people in the eyes of the law, which is at its root, unconstitutional. If people want to have marriage a separate institution it should on the whole and keep government out of marriage altogether and make it a strictly religious institution and civil unions for the state and federal government protections.

So my point here is if we are going to talk democracy, we can talk specifically about US-style democracy versus other democratic governments that don't always entail the same form of competitive election we do. At times it seems the neo-con movement is trying to aim for a direct democracy and do away with the Constitution and representative democracy altogether. We have Federal judges in place to uphold the principles of freedom instanced in the Constitution. They are there to intercede when the population seeks to actively take away or hinder civil liberties. That's not the case in all forms of democracy.

So it is not a liberal media invention as you claimed in your blog. It's actually a part of the US tradition and how our government was set up. If you are as much of a nationalist as you claim, then I think you'll take the initiative to really study and understand the founding of the US as a nation and you'll see everything isn't a liberal media conspiracy because in the end, conservative news sources have just as much of an agenda. People need to really take the initiative to get educated on US policy, the Constitution and the founding fathers if they want to see through agendas and come to their own educated opinions.

"Sadistic Savior" (Online Alias) said...

"You may be democratic, but that doesn't mean majority rule in all cases."

Actually, yes it does. Even in our own system. Ultimately, all laws are subordinate to the Constitution, which requires a majority to change it. That is majority rule.



"The US is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy."

The dictionary does not make a distinction. Representatives themselves are elected by a majority.


"The reason for our Constitution is to ensure our civil liberties are not trumped by government, thereby moving each and every one of us towards true equality. The neo-cons like to argue they are not racist, but at the same time they are quick to say the GLBT community does not have the right to the same rights as heterosexuals."

What rights are those? Even heterosexuals dont have a "right" to marry. Rights are defined in the Constitution. The Constitution is silent on marriage rights...it is a state issue, not a federal issue. So there is already equality at the federal level.



"So my point here is if we are going to talk democracy, we can talk specifically about US-style democracy versus other democratic governments that don't always entail the same form of competitive election we do."

If a government doesnt fit the definition of democracy, how can you call it a democracy? Go to Dictionary.com and look up the definition. There is no such thing as a "US style democracy". There is just democracy.

The fact that I dont agree with your interpretation of the Constitution or US policy (and thats all it is) does not mean I do not understand it.

Anonymous said...

All I see here are a bunch of excuses for the Iraq quagmire.

Neocons use the Reich philosophy of attempting to rationalize the irrational. "Triumph of the Will" is a good starting point to learn about this sort of thing.

"Sadistic Savior" (Online Alias) said...

Like most liberals you assume your position is the "rational" one by default. It is both sad and funny that liberals (of all people) are such elitists.

Anonymous said...

THANK YOU for your blog...I always find myself alone with the 'gay republican' stance...keep up the great writing.

Trouble said...

This post is really pretty great. I wish you would post more often, dammit.